Comments on: Decision points http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/ James Taylor on Everything Decision Management Mon, 14 May 2012 18:05:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: James Taylor's Decision Management http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/comment-page-1/#comment-21573 James Taylor's Decision Management Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:38:00 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=2969#comment-21573 <strong>Use Cases and Business Rules...</strong> Barb von Halle and Larry Goldberg had an interesting article titled Use Cases and Business Rules - can they work together over on Modern Analyst. In the article they discuss the role of the Decision Model and business rules in...... Use Cases and Business Rules…

Barb von Halle and Larry Goldberg had an interesting article titled Use Cases and Business Rules – can they work together over on Modern Analyst. In the article they discuss the role of the Decision Model and business rules in……

]]> By: Jerome Boyer http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/comment-page-1/#comment-19359 Jerome Boyer Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:17:18 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=2969#comment-19359 Mark, We are not excluding the business policy and business rule approach. What I do observe is that a top down approach of policy driven rules analysis does not conduct to understand where the derived business rules are enforced. The search for decision point, attached to a business process description (done with use case or with BPMN does not matter), helps to drive the analysis, and help the business to focus at enforcement of business rule. If not the business team can spend months defining business rules, that IT does not understand where to put them. The decision point can help drive the discovery of the business policies and rules, for an implementation point of view, as well as a way to organize the top down approach. A decision point support multiple rules, and if implemented with a rule engine, the rules are packaged as rule set. At the implementation level the business rules should reference the business policy it supports. Mark,
We are not excluding the business policy and business rule approach. What I do observe is that a top down approach of policy driven rules analysis does not conduct to understand where the derived business rules are enforced. The search for decision point, attached to a business process description (done with use case or with BPMN does not matter), helps to drive the analysis, and help the business to focus at enforcement of business rule. If not the business team can spend months defining business rules, that IT does not understand where to put them. The decision point can help drive the discovery of the business policies and rules, for an implementation point of view, as well as a way to organize the top down approach. A decision point support multiple rules, and if implemented with a rule engine, the rules are packaged as rule set.
At the implementation level the business rules should reference the business policy it supports.

]]> By: beatrice rencontre http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/comment-page-1/#comment-18605 beatrice rencontre Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:34:12 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=2969#comment-18605 I do agree with Mark. It is good to classify the decisions but how about implementing? It is often in the rules that are already existing that one have to take a look. I mean that a bit of action is often better than a lot of talking and thinking! I do agree with Mark. It is good to classify the decisions but how about implementing? It is often in the rules that are already existing that one have to take a look. I mean that a bit of action is often better than a lot of talking and thinking!

]]> By: Mark Norton http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/comment-page-1/#comment-18589 Mark Norton Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:11:16 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=2969#comment-18589 James, all good points of course, but this post emphasizes a bottom up approach, sorting through a morass of low level detail to find opportunities for rule centric process improvement. What about turning the telescope around and looking at the business policy instead, a top down approach to determine definitively what rules SHOULD be implemented. A policy driven rules analysis will also of necessity identify the relevant facts that need to be collated, and these can be used to track down implemented rules – if there are any. If the implemented rules do not agree with the policy derived versions, or they are not found at all, then this approach has just identified a significant gap in IT alignment and an opportunity to deliver some real value. If you use a tool for capturing and fully testing the policy driven rules, and then generating a relevant implementation, does it even matter what the existing low level rules implementation, the result of years of tinkering, has achieved or not achieved? James, all good points of course, but this post emphasizes a bottom up approach, sorting through a morass of low level detail to find opportunities for rule centric process improvement. What about turning the telescope around and looking at the business policy instead, a top down approach to determine definitively what rules SHOULD be implemented. A policy driven rules analysis will also of necessity identify the relevant facts that need to be collated, and these can be used to track down implemented rules – if there are any. If the implemented rules do not agree with the policy derived versions, or they are not found at all, then this approach has just identified a significant gap in IT alignment and an opportunity to deliver some real value.

If you use a tool for capturing and fully testing the policy driven rules, and then generating a relevant implementation, does it even matter what the existing low level rules implementation, the result of years of tinkering, has achieved or not achieved?

]]> By: RomanStanek (Roman Stanek) http://jtonedm.com/2010/02/10/decision-points/comment-page-1/#comment-18571 RomanStanek (Roman Stanek) Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:35:07 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=2969#comment-18571 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/RomanStanek" title="Twitter Comment"> <div class="ccimg1" title="RomanStanek (Roman Stanek)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="RomanStanek (Roman Stanek)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/RomanStanek"> </div> </a> RT @jamet123: New blog post: Decision points [link to post] #decisionmgt<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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