Comments on: Risks of pursuing BPM without decisioning

By: Business processes and decisions – an emerging consensus? — JT on EDM

Business processes and decisions – an emerging consensus? — JT on EDM — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:51:41 +0000

[...] back on the various posts I have written about business process and business decision management (Risks of pursuing BPM without decisioning, Adding decisioning to your BPM initiative or this webinar recording), it seems to me that there is [...]

By: Column 2 : links for 2009-09-22

Column 2 : links for 2009-09-22 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:02:08 +0000

[...] Risks of pursuing BPM without decisioning — JT on EDM Good summary of using rules/decisioning with BPM, and why you need to have decisioning as part of the initial design process in order to avoid a lot of pain later. (tags: bpm brm) [...]

By: skemsley (Sandy Kemsley)

skemsley (Sandy Kemsley) — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:07:54 +0000

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Risks of pursuing BPM without decisioning — JT on EDM [link to post]

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By: IBMBPMUpdate (IBMBPMUpdate)

IBMBPMUpdate (IBMBPMUpdate) — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:34:47 +0000

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Great article from @jamet123 on the risks of BPM without decisioning [link to post] ^MP

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By: Colin Campbell

Colin Campbell — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:19:45 +0000

Am interested to see what you have to say about linking business decisions (via business rules) into a business process model. At present I have the very simple idea (not implemented yet) of using a different style of “activity” box that contains the rule IDs or Rule Group names and attaching it to the appropriate Party, Data element or Activity/Task in the BP model. An obvious guideline is to use the subject of a rule as the key to its placement in the model (meaning the terms used in rules and in the process models are the same, or at the very least, synonymous). The enforcement level of the rules could also be included.

Can I add that it is very easy to say “business rules will take care of decisioning” whilst engaged in business process modelling, and the actual rules required may not be given the proper attention they require then and there. We recently did this, concentrating heavily on BP modelling, and now that it is time to add the rules into the model, I am hoping the model can cope!

By: Gagan Saxena

Gagan Saxena — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:47:18 +0000

Agreed that in general decision engineering needs to be decoupled from process engineering; but assuming that each process will just be a sequence of steps with no alternate flow paths based on conditions may be too extreme.
I believe the point you made is that DM cannot be an afterthought to BPM. Both go together and good engineering should treat them such.