http://jtonedm.com/2008/06/23/are-programmers-the-problem/ James Taylor on Everything Decision Management Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:48:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://jtonedm.com/2008/06/23/are-programmers-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-14801 Phil Vinet Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:57:43 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=475#comment-14801 I think that Tony Rose's comments are right on. The source of the problem that has arrisen over the past 15 years is that the evolution of "Business Systems Analyist" has become just a programmer with lots of progroming experience. It seems to be assumed that really good programmers suddenly become business systems specialists because they programmed business systems for 5 years. So..they continue their process in using programing to solve issues rather than looking at the business processes. (because that is what got them their promotion.) Their used to be a group of really great Business Systems Anaylists, they were called Industrail Engineers. They lived and breathed improvements to business systems and had all the tools to address them. However, over the years, these departments have been eliminated. The result is what you see today. I think that Tony Rose’s comments are right on. The source of the problem that has arrisen over the past 15 years is that the evolution of “Business Systems Analyist” has become just a programmer with lots of progroming experience. It seems to be assumed that really good programmers suddenly become business systems specialists because they programmed business systems for 5 years. So..they continue their process in using programing to solve issues rather than looking at the business processes. (because that is what got them their promotion.) Their used to be a group of really great Business Systems Anaylists, they were called Industrail Engineers. They lived and breathed improvements to business systems and had all the tools to address them. However, over the years, these departments have been eliminated. The result is what you see today.

]]> http://jtonedm.com/2008/06/23/are-programmers-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10634 Application Development 2.0 » Smart (Enough Systems, the blog) Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:01:12 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=475#comment-10634 [...] scripting languages like Ruby, Python and Perl”. As I noted before, this very focus on programming and programmers is a barrier to progress and replacing one procedural language with another won’t help [...] [...] scripting languages like Ruby, Python and Perl”. As I noted before, this very focus on programming and programmers is a barrier to progress and replacing one procedural language with another won’t help [...]

]]> http://jtonedm.com/2008/06/23/are-programmers-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10536 slims Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:43:25 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=475#comment-10536 You might want to have a look at what Charles Simonyi at <a href="http://www.intentsoft.com/" rel="nofollow">Intentional Software</a> is trying to do. You might want to have a look at what Charles Simonyi at Intentional Software is trying to do.

]]> http://jtonedm.com/2008/06/23/are-programmers-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10459 Tony Rose Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:32:56 +0000 http://jtonedm.com/?p=475#comment-10459 Great post James!   I wholeheartedly agree that you need someone with a strong business presence and some technical know-how.   This is also very difficult to find.   I have worked with developers (JDE/E1 and Mainframe) that can code the heck out of their program, but it's not what the business needs or wants.   I find developers are not in tune with what the business <strong><em>really </em></strong>needs. I have also worked with Business Systems Analyst's that are excellent and really fill the void between business owner and developer.   They are hard to find and often overworked because they are <strong><em>good</em></strong>. Great post James!   I wholeheartedly agree that you need someone with a strong business presence and some technical know-how.   This is also very difficult to find.   I have worked with developers (JDE/E1 and Mainframe) that can code the heck out of their program, but it’s not what the business needs or wants.   I find developers are not in tune with what the business really needs.
I have also worked with Business Systems Analyst’s that are excellent and really fill the void between business owner and developer.   They are hard to find and often overworked because they are good.

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